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borewood2013



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PostSubject: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   November 21st 2014, 2:21 am

What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?

I joined MMV recently and I see this forum rule:
"- Forum Rules -
Feedback is not only welcomed here, it is encouraged. And we thank any of you that take the time to offer it. But at no time does that give you license to insult our community or our members when you do so. We have a rule about respect at all times and we expect all of our members to follow it, including when giving feedback."


The opinion below belongs to me ONLY.  It has nothing to do with anybody's opinion.
Everybody's opinion is different.  So, it is all just me.........

My sole opinion:

A good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver is:

- one who knows how to spell the English word "RESPECT" and walk the word
- one who knows very much about fighting games and fighting game engines like M.U.G.E.N
- one who knows very much about video games in general, not just fighting games
- one who has extensive experience in testing all kinds of M.U.G.E.N productions (including motifs/characters/stages/add-ons)
- one who uses not only text but also images and/or videos when giving feedback
- one who has no bias toward the choices of M.U.G.E.N productions the target related creators and authors make
- one who does not mix the feedback with personal issues and feelings
- one who appreciates rather than makes fun of the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors' works
- one who pinpoints only the good and bad of the target M.U.G.E.N productions, not something about the personality/habit/style/taste/reputation/behavior of the related creators and authors
- one who knows the "arts of wordings" that can make the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors feel more comfortable when a harsh criticism towards their M.U.G.E.N productions is unavoidable
- one who shows patience when dealing with target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors who feel offended and keep defending
- one who never uses any type of insult even when he/she/it does not like the target M.U.G.E.N productions and the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors
- (optional) one who possesses some level of M.U.G.E.N making knowledge and skill (i.e. at least knowing the basics mentioned in mugen/docs/air.html and mugen/docs/cns.html)


Simply put, a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver must not keep e-bullying and e-haunting any M.U.G.E.N creators and authors!
Just focus on the objective feedback giving, no interference/interruption to one's M.U.G.E.N life at all!


Feel free to agree yes /disagree No .


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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   November 21st 2014, 6:27 am

Thumbs up, i enjoyed reading this
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   November 21st 2014, 7:18 am

I agree with you in 90% of your examples. But some, to me, doesn't makes much sense. I can explain it better if you want.
Or we will fall into the "Let the shoemaker venture no furhter".

Can I make one question? Explain "what makes a good Mugen feedback TAKER?"
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   November 21st 2014, 7:49 am

@Arkady wrote:
Thumbs up, i enjoyed reading this
These are only some essential points I summarized after me (and my MUGEN Tragic Bros.) being a MUGEN-bash-happy victim for years (2010-2014)....

@O Ilusionista wrote:
I agree with you in 90% of your examples. But some, to me, doesn't makes much sense.  I can explain it better if you want.
Or we will fall into the "Let the shoemaker venture no furhter".

Can I make one question? Explain "what makes a good Mugen feedback TAKER?"

That was why I said, "Feel free to agree yes /disagree No ."  So, what is the non-sense 10% you mentioned please?  Care to explain a bit more?
Oh that question of yours is actually an embarrassing one to me, as I am really a bad M.U.G.E.N feedback taker...... pale
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   December 16th 2014, 10:52 pm

this is a very good read Smile thanx for posting it Very Happy

however...

the password hint thing from it, if it is in the first item of your list in bold, isn't working Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   December 17th 2014, 6:31 am

@volzzilla wrote:
this is a very good read Smile thanx for posting it Very Happy

however...

the password hint thing from it, if it is in the first item of your list in bold, isn't working Razz

The whole password is:
I_am_a_MUGEN_feedback_giver_who_knows_how_to_spell_the_English_word_!!!!!!!

!!!!!!! is what you have discovered with the bold upper-case English word here yes
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   December 18th 2014, 12:58 pm

no more secrecy Razz i entered respect, Respect, and RESPECT and each of them failed.
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   December 18th 2014, 1:28 pm

@volzzilla wrote:
no more secrecy Razz i entered respect, Respect, and RESPECT and each of them failed.

You got it right!  Yes it is "I_am_a_MUGEN_feedback_giver_who_knows_how_to_spell_the_English_word_RESPECT" without double-quotes.  yes
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   December 18th 2014, 11:18 pm

that may be the longest password of all time Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   March 24th 2015, 5:40 pm

A stereotypical Youtube "feedback" giver analysis. (AKA Crappy character basher)

A good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver is:
- one who knows how to spell the English word "RESPECT" and walk the word - Meh, depends on the person's nationallity and where they came from.

- one who knows very much about fighting games and fighting game engines like M.U.G.E.N - A majority of bashers are big fans of fighting games so that's a plus. As for me, I love fighting games, but I don't play them as much as I am more into RPGS, First Person Shooters (Things like Fallout and Halo.), and platformers.

- one who knows very much about video games in general, not just fighting games - Some are more into TV shows than games, some are the other way around... Meh.

- one who has extensive experience in testing all kinds of M.U.G.E.N productions (including motifs/characters/stages/add-ons) - No.

- one who uses not only text but also images and/or videos when giving feedback - Bashing videos are a form of well, videos.

- one who has no bias toward the choices of M.U.G.E.N productions the target related creators and authors make Oh boy, don't they ALL love to do this kind of crap.

- one who does not mix the feedback with personal issues and feelings - Human tendancies.

- one who appreciates rather than makes fun of the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors' works - They DON'T appreciate creators and their works.  I got some random dude wishing death upon me over making a poorly made MUGEN character 4 years ago.

- one who pinpoints only the good and bad of the target M.U.G.E.N productions, not something about the personality/habit/style/taste/reputation/behavior of the related creators and authors Bashers in a nutshell "UMG BAD SPRITES THE SPRITES SUCK OH MY GOD THIS CHARACTERS SPRITES SUCK AND WHY IS ITS AI SO CHEAP OMG I CANT BEAT THIS CHARACTER LOGJDFGIOPFJSF"

- one who knows the "arts of wordings" that can make the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors feel more comfortable when a harsh criticism towards their M.U.G.E.N productions is unavoidable

- one who shows patience when dealing with target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors who feel offended and keep defending - Don't know.

- one who never uses any type of insult even when he/she/it does not like the target M.U.G.E.N productions and the target M.U.G.E.N creators and authors - Never seen a female MUGEN character neither did I see a male one, but yeah, the MUGEN community LOVES to insult people.
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   March 30th 2015, 7:53 am

@PrincessOfTheGalaxy:
Thank you for you input! 

>> Meh, depends on the person's nationallity and where they came from.
I think it shall be largely related to one's moral education more...........and personal background like you said, for example, a victim can easily turn into a culprit in many real life cases.......

>> A majority of bashers are big fans of fighting games so that's a plus. As for me, I love fighting games, but I don't play them as much as I am more into RPGS, First Person Shooters (Things like Fallout and Halo.), and platformers.
You are right.  If one doesn't like fighting games then he/she/it probably doesn't bother with MUGEN at all.  Knowing fighting games well indeed helps one's MUGEN.  But some fighting game experts who are also MUGEN fans think they are "the best of the best of the East/West" and look down on other less skillful/knowledgeable fans.  I guess in any fields there are usually people like that.......
Hey, I am a RPG and plaformer video game fan too!  May be some times we can share something about it with each other Very Happy .  (oh but I am not a FPS - First Person Shooters fan because my poor eyes can't take it at all.... )

>> Some are more into TV shows than games, some are the other way around... Meh.
Well, just an optional point.  I meant a general video gamer has potential to be a fighting game expert and then a MUGEN fan.............TV shows are cool too~~~~

>> No.
Well, if you are not good at testing a production-based hobby like MUGEN, then how can you give legit MUGEN feedback?  It's like those experienced MAME testers out there.........
The only problem is, some experience MUGEN testers tend to intervene a test subject by mentioning non-MUGEN-products stuff......

>> Bashing videos are a form of well, videos.
Indeed most YouTube MUGEN videos are all about e-bashing...........it is used as the main e-entertainment among those "MUGEN small circles" yes

>> Oh boy, don't they ALL love to do this kind of crap.
"I have no bias" cannot happen in the human world I guess, and, you and I have bias but some good ones can manage to not express it when giving feedback.

>> Human tendancies
True.  Again, some rare good ones can manage to not mix it when giving feedback.

>> They DON'T appreciate creators and their works.  I got some random dude wishing death upon me over making a poorly made MUGEN character 4 years ago.
I can't agree with you more!  To me especially by those heartless and reckless MUGEN Pro's! Mad
Let's shake some hands:


>> Bashers in a nutshell "UMG BAD SPRITES THE SPRITES SUCK OH MY GOD THIS CHARACTERS SPRITES SUCK AND WHY IS ITS AI SO CHEAP OMG I CANT BEAT THIS CHARACTER LOGJDFGIOPFJSF"
That might be why some e-bashers never make/release anything because they are afraid to taste the their own same medicine LOL lol!

>> Don't know.
I can tell you very few feedback givers have such patience.  But at least they can just stop giving feedback rather than e-bashing/e-haunting/e-bullying/e-mocking...... No 

>> Never seen a female MUGEN character neither did I see a male one, but yeah, the MUGEN community LOVES to insult people.
Nothing we can do about it except for "rage-quitting" or switching to another online MUGEN places.........*sigh*.........
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   April 1st 2015, 3:43 pm

>> Never seen a female MUGEN character neither did I see a male one, but yeah, the MUGEN community LOVES to insult people.

WOAH, WOAH. Did I just type that one part?

Ugh... That symptom's kicking in again.

Never seen a female MUGEN author, but yeah, the MUGEN community on Youtube LOVES to insult people.
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PostSubject: Re: What makes a good M.U.G.E.N feedback giver?   May 20th 2016, 4:31 pm

I really want to nominate Staubhold to some "The-21st-Century-Best-M.U.G.E.N-Feedback-Givers" MUGEN awards/election.  Everybody can clearly see how good and how healthy Staubhold's MUGEN feedbacks always are, in MMV here and in all other MUGEN forums throughout the century. yes

If everybody can give healthy MUGEN feedback like Staubhold always does, then the dream of the days of true MUGEN world peace can become true.......
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